What's up with this one?

[Mojave]

Originally Posted by jhaberer

Mojave,

Lots of Angostura in Texas may have an Agate Basin look, but they don't have the age.

jhaberer

I agree but I guess it would also depend on what you believe is the age of Angostura and Agate Basin. Some ABs are believed to be post-9400 years bp and some Angos are believed to be pre-9400 years bp. Not saying I agree, just what I've read.
This point is from Texas. It is not an Angostura. It has almost all the attributes of an Agate Basin point from the Wyoming type site.
What would you call it?
Agate Basin Points in Texas

[jhaberer]

Hey Mojave

Thanks for the pictures and post.

I would be suspect of a 9400 BP age for Angostura found in Texas; most would consider 8800 BP pushing the Texas age limit.

I don’t see any particular attribute that leads me to call your point an Agate Basin. I have to admit, I don’t believe in Texas AB, other than intrusive. Could a small band have roamed thru Texas, absolutely; but, it would almost take several classic found at one site to change my mind.

What particular attributes persuaded you that it isn’t Angostura? Was there any age related association/context.

Thanks
jhaberer

[Mojave]

Originally Posted by jhaberer

I would be suspect of a 9400 BP age for Angostura found in Texas; most would consider 8800 BP pushing the Texas age limit.

Well I tend to agree with you but I've read a few reports claiming they are older. Probably huge standard deviations and other problematic issues and outliers like Levi. I think a greater possibility is that Agate Basin types lingered on much later than what was observed at the type site. Given the similarities to other types like Rice and others on the plains and central part of the country this isn't beyond the realm of possibility.

Originally Posted by jhaberer

I don’t see any particular attribute that leads me to call your point an Agate Basin. I have to admit, I don’t believe in Texas AB, other than intrusive. Could a small band have roamed thru Texas, absolutely; but, it would almost take several classic found at one site to change my mind.
What particular attributes persuaded you that it isn’t Angostura? Was there any age related association/context.

No age or association. I did not find it. I purchased it to do research because I didn't understand it and others I have seen like it. I've seen a good quantity of points identical to this (probably close to a dozen or so) from the Bastrop area. I personally dug the base of one other. I've seen others so I am convinced they are not intrusive.
Anyway, I'm curious what attributes do you see in my point that is NOT Agate Basin? That was the whole purpose of the blog I wrote last year:
Agate Basin Points in Texas
The flaking is not really like Angostura. To me it isn't ango at all.
I'm also curious why you think that Agate Basins are not found in Texas. I've heard this many times. Again that was the whole purpose of writing what I did.
thanks...

[Scotto]

Man you Texas guys find the greatest stuff.....

[Cluton]

I understand that Angos come in different forms, believe me! I have plenty of em! This point just had a totally different flaking pattern! That's why I needed some help, it could very well be an Ango, and it probably is, but it's neat to get other peoples viewpoints! Mojave I think, as we have discussed multiple times, that many types in Texas are one in the same, this one just stood out from the norm, thanks guys for the comments! Damn these tran paleo points down here, LOL!!!