dalton rechipped or not

[birdpoint]

i re posted this dalton with dif pics, from the forum ( recent purchas} i think it was an isue with lighting, please look again and give me your comments. thanks so much birdpoint

[mootsman]

About impossible to tell from photos unless the rework was done very poorly. A UV light and a scope (or just a 10x loupe) can quickly help make the determination. If you know the material, how it patinates/mineralizes then compare it to a point of the same material from the same area. You might be able to decide from that. The patination and mineralization should be generally uniform. Your second photo appears to show some dense mineralization on the lower third of the point. If this is mineralization the any spots of it, even if very tiny, in the area you think might be rechipped would indicate that it had not been redone.

[George Looney]

Yes ,Yes, what Mootsman said. Take it to Springdale this weekend,needs to be held in the hands.

[joshuaream]

Yep, take it to the show and get an opinion in person.

That said, something just looks off about the point to me. Could be the pictures, but something about it just doesn't look right.

[Steve Valentine]

The thing that looks off to me is most Daltons that size are because of extensive resharpening and that leads to them being beveled and I see no beveling at all on that Point. I highly doubt that at that size it is a first stage Dalton.

[Neanderthal]

The main issue that makes your piece look suspect is the base itself, especially the thinning. Dalton generally exhibit very well-thinned bases. In fact, it's not uncommon to find later Dalton points that are fluted (same with Pedernales and a few other Archaic points).

The steep basal edge retouch on your piece SHOULD make anyone familiar with Dalton manufacturing techniques raise an eyebrow. The first thing that popped into my mind was the possibility of it being salvaged or a reworked tip. I'm not saying the piece is bad, I'm saying it's abnormal.

[birdpoint]

Originally Posted by mootsman

About impossible to tell from photos unless the rework was done very poorly. A UV light and a scope (or just a 10x loupe) can quickly help make the determination. If you know the material, how it patinates/mineralizes then compare it to a point of the same material from the same area. You might be able to decide from that. The patination and mineralization should be generally uniform. Your second photo appears to show some dense mineralization on the lower third of the point. If this is mineralization the any spots of it, even if very tiny, in the area you think might be rechipped would indicate that it had not been redone.

thanks

[birdpoint]

Originally Posted by Neanderthal

The main issue that makes your piece look suspect is the base itself, especially the thinning. Dalton generally exhibit very well-thinned bases. In fact, it's not uncommon to find later Dalton points that are fluted (same with Pedernales and a few other Archaic points).

The steep basal edge retouch on your piece SHOULD make anyone familiar with Dalton manufacturing techniques raise an eyebrow. The first thing that popped into my mind was the possibility of it being salvaged or a reworked tip. I'm not saying the piece is bad, I'm saying it's abnormal.

thanks Matt, I have learned a lot from this post, but am still not determened if ist a fake or not, hopefuly i will become mere educated on this subject, as for now i would like to be able to send this point to you and have you authenticate it for me. thanks so much birdpoint

[birdpoint]

Originally Posted by George Looney

Yes ,Yes, what Mootsman said. Take it to Springdale this weekend,needs to be held in the hands.

man!!! i cant make it up ther this weekend i would love to be there, thanks for your input, birdpoint