Across Atlantic Ice

[lillyput]

Got my copy today Across Atlantic Ice The Origin of America's Clovis Culture
by Standford and Bradley foreword by Michael Collins [Amazon]

Nice hardback 319 pgs. lots of line drawings - print is small
Only got a few pages read but I like it!

[ApacheNDN]

Is that following the theory of Clovis culture actually coming from Europe, rather than Asia?

[cgode]

Cool lillyput, let us know what ya think when you get into it further.......I'm going to have to order myself a copy!

[uniface]

Haven't received mine yet, but I'd be surprised if the thesis weren't that the people who planted "Clovis" here came from either Spain or North Africa, bringing those elements of the Solutrian (and earlier) technologies with them that Clovis is founded upon.

[knife river]

I've scanned my copy. I think it's pretty good (perhaps because I've been on the edge of my seat waiting for it for a couple years), but a few things could have been covered in more depth. Need to sit down and really read it.

[lillyput]

Me too Knife river, I have been waiting not too patiently.

Apache, it is following the Atlantic migration.

Cgode, it was inexpensive 22 or about, compared to the one I ordered with it.
Clovis lithic study Gault Waters.......nice book how do I put this..... lots of charts...in depth study of a few tools. Needless to say I'm off that and on to the Atlantic crossing book when I've finished unavoidable useless obligations

uniface yup Spain France that general area.

I've read their writings in the Mammoth Trumpet over the years, then the special PBS? regarding same. So much makes sense. I shall try to keep posting a little what I've read. Knife you do the same. Looks like a 'buy'

[ApacheNDN]

Cool. To me that hypothesis makes more sense. Now that there has been more data compiled. Just the simple fact that the majority of Clovis related material has been recovered east of the Mississippi. And that there are not really any artifacts related to the culture found in Asia or really Alaska at that. There's no doubt a migration of Asiatic people came at some point. You can't deny the correlation in physiology between modern native people and Mongols, i.e. Mongolian spot, 5 y molars, etc. But to have one picture painted by "scientists" based solely on who they're looking at now? I believe that Clovis people were absorbed by modern native peoples, just as I believe the Neanderthals were absorbed by Homo Sapiens. Anyway, I am definitely getting this book.

[lillyput]

Apache good thinking, just finished the foreword by Collins/ dang that dude can write. I mean that in a good way. He basically calls this what it is - a beginning. No one is doubting that there were multiple routes taken to the New World.
Reading and cooking hah! pretending it is a cookbook

[knife river]

Just realized something interesting -- the Topper site is not mentioned in the book. Doesn't even show up in the index. It appears that the authors agree that there really isn't a pre-Clovis component at that site.

[blackwater]

just finished mine. it's not what you would call an edge of your seat read, but i never expected that from Stanford. they try to pull everything together and make some assumptions, but acknowledge them as they go. and point out that not all the evidence agrees 100%, but we will have more data later. i think the flooded continental shelfs are where the majority of the hard evidence may be, IMHO. hard to get at though. there are a lot more knowlegeable people on here than me, and i will defer to them on the facts.
i have to admit, growing up right on Blackwater Draw, when i understood who had stood on the ground i was on i wanted them to be the first, and was fascinated by their story and how they survived and lived. i was hooked for life.