Texas,oldest site in north america

[lance b]

Dig yields evidence of ancient Texans
Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:18:51 +0100
Texas is the site of the oldest archeological dig in North America. Located outside the town of Salado, about 125 miles south of Fort Worth, the site has new evidence of people who lived 15,500 years ago. "
* * *It looks like people first arrived in this valley around 15,000, 15,500 years ago," said Texas A&M archaeologist Dr. Mike Waters who is leading the research project. "And once they found this valley, they kept coming back to it. For thousands of years, this site was an ideal place to make camp. There's a spring-fed creek that never runs dry and the kind of stone that's perfect for making tools. Every time the creek flooded, it buried the site in mud - preserving a record of how people lived and worked thousands of years ago. What got left behind are the discarded flecks of stone created in the making of tools, along with some of the crude tools themselves."
* * *Prior to the discovery of 16,000 artifacts here, it was believed that humans arrived in North America 2,500 years later than the evidence this site provides. "What really makes this exciting is - because we have such an abundance of material from the pre-Clovis levels - we can start looking at what their technology was like, what kind of artifacts they made," Waters said. The discovery has scientists wondering how exactly people got to what is now Texas.

[lance b]

For anyone interested I use a app titled, stone pages archeo news. Great info there

[neralich]

Sounds interesting, Lance!
I am unable to use apps.
Anybody have a link to further info on this site?
Would love to see some pics...

[Mojave]

A few links in here:
Texas Pre-Clovis

[neralich]

Thanks Mojave!
Alot of weekend reading in their for me

[rokdok]

Oldest my ass. Dr. Barbara Purdy found Levallois artifacts at the C.C.A. site in Northern Florida dated by similar techniques to at least 25,000 years ago with clear stratigraphy. Back then, North American archeologists apparently did not believe the accuracy of the dating method, which has been used in Africa and other old world sites for decades. Now, all of a sudden, the technique is accepted and her findings are completely ignored? Give me an effin break!!!

[neralich]

That does sound like B.S.,, Rokdok
Maybe not the oldest, but this sure sounds interesting still...

[uniface]

Caltrans Site

By Virginia Steen-McIntyre

Following are quotes from an open-file report dated July 28, 1995, prepared for Caltrans (California Department of Transportation) District 11 and titled "State Route 54, Paleontological Mitigation Program, Final Report." In the report, scientists describe an apparent mastodon butchering site some 300,000 years old, uncovered during highway improvement work in San Diego County. Bones had originally been modified and moved around, rock cobbles had been split to form tools, and one tusk had been thrust vertically deep into the fine-grained sediment, apparently to mark the site.

I obtained copies of the report shortly after it was published (minus the full set of appendixes) from two late colleagues, George Carter and Charles Repenning. We agreed to wait and say nothing about it until the researchers and their colleagues made this exciting discovery public. That was fifteen years ago. If an announcement was made to the media, the media have ignored it. A classic example of how data on an important but controversial archaeological site can get buried.

On page 51 of the copy sent to me by Charles Repenning is a hand-written note from him giving subsequent information about the site.

Page 1, Executive
Summary

. . . “The fragmentary skeletal remains of a single individual of the American Mastodon, Mammut americanum was collected from a quarry excavation. This quarry produced interesting and puzzling taphonomic results. Radiometric dating of ivory and soil carbonate from the quarry yielded dates of 335+/-35Ka (thousands of years before present) and 196+/-15Ka respectively, late Pleistocene, Rancholabrean NALMA (North American Land Mammal Age). Other fossil mammals salvaged from the Pleistocene stream deposits included ground sloth, shrews, rodents, rabbits, wolf, camel, deer, and mammoth. Overall, the collecting localities and their contained fossil
remains represent the most significant Pleistocene paleontological discoveries yet known from coastal San Diego County.”

“. . . . The mastodon material collected from bed E consists of the right and left tusks, two molars, three vertebrae, 10 ribs, portions of both femurs, at least two phalanges, and numerous large and small bone fragments. The bone is moderately well-preserved with many elements found encased in calcium carbonate (caliche) nodules. . . Many bones were fragmentary and displayed distinct types of breakage. . . Of special note was the discovery of both isolated femur heads side- by-side, one with its articular surface down (#258). Adjacent to the femur heads lay fragments of ribs, one of which (#253) was found lying directly on a plutonic cobble (#254). Also found in this concentration was a large piece of a long bone shaft displaying distinct spiral fracturing. In units J4 and K4 a large, sharply fractured piece of long bone (#340) was found with a distinct impact scar on its internal surface. . .

In Unit B2 the distal 70 cm of a tusk (#56) was found distal end down in an upright orientation (62°-64° dip), concave portion of curvature to the south. The proximal end of the tusk had been removed by the backhoe at the level of Bed E . . . The tusk extended from Bed E through Bed D, reaching 65 cm into Bed C . . . . Coarse sand from Bed D was found as an infilling alongside the tusk some 40 cm into Bed C.”


Page 49, Conclusions

“The paleontological resource mitigation program conducted for SR 54 was successful in terms of the quantity and quality of recovered fossil remains. Prior to this project our knowledge of the Pleistocene vertebrates of coastal San Diego County was extremely limited. The discovery and documentation of 32 fossil collecting localities and recovery of hundreds of vertebrate andinvertebrate fossil specimens represents a tremendous resource for future research projects including studies of systematics,
paleoenvironments, biostratigraphy, and local sea level history. In addition, the fossils from SR54 represent an important educational resource in terms of their exhibition and academic value.”

NOTE: There wasn’t ONE mention of the mastodon site in the Conclusions!


Hand-written note from palaeontologist Charles Repenning, on page 51 of my copy of the report:

“Note 1. About 60 pages of appendices have been omitted in this copy. Many mammal fossil specimens found.

Note 2. Subsequent to this report three items of interest have happened.

A. I examined the fossil rodents -- all microtines were correctly identified: a Microtus californicus (Irving) but one. It was an extinct species.

B. C14 ages became available -- all infinite. [i.e. too old to measure by that method.]

C. Fragmented boulders (to make butchering tools) were fitted together to make complete boulders that SOMEBODY had carried to the site for that purpose.”

Pleistocene Coalition News. Volume 2, issue 1, pp. 10-11.

[uniface]

HERESY IN THE CAMP: HUEYÁTLACO, A 250,000 YEAR OLD MASTODON-HUNTER SITE FROM CENTRAL MEXICO AND ITS TREATMENT BY DARWINISM IN LATE 20TH CENTURY USA

Virginia Steen-McIntyre

INTRODUCTION

Archaeologists and anthropologists say the Hueyátlaco site is impossible. In no way were humans actively hunting mammoth and mastodon in the Valsequillo Reservoir area of south-central Mexico a quarter-million years ago. Much less could they produce elegant incised art work. And/or perhaps even nibble on maize.

Geologists say that may be true, at least according to established theory. But then you must explain away: (1) Well made stone tools associated with remains of butchered extinct Pleistocene animals dated by the uranium-series methods at 250,000 years. (2) Overlying (younger) beds of volcanic ejecta (pumice and coarse ash) giving roughly similar zircon fissiontrack dates. (3) Infinite 14C dates (no carbon remains). (4) A primitive human skull, collected in the area over 100 years ago, filled with microfossils (diatoms) including several taxa that either became extinct or first appeared during the Sangamon Interglacial 80,000 to ca 320,000 years ago. (5) A similar Sangamon-age diatom suite collected from the artifact-bearing layers and overlying sediment. (6) A layer of volcanic ash from deep within a sediment core in Mexico City, associated with grains of maize pollen, that might be the same age.

Hueyátlaco is a dangerous site. To even publicly mention the geological evidence for its great age is to jeopardize one’s professional career. Three of us geologists can testify to that. It’s very existence is blasphemous because it questions a basic dogma of Darwinism, the ruling philosophy (or religion, if you will) of the western scientific world for the past 150 years. That dogma states that, over a long period of time, members of the human family have generally become more and more intelligent. The Hueyátlaco site is thus “impossible” because Mid-Pleistocene humans weren’t smart enough to do all that the evidence implies. Besides, there is no New World anthropoid stock from which they could have evolved.

The high priests of Darwinism have spoken . . .

250,000 Year Old Mastodon-Hunter from Puebla [Archive] - Soy Chicano Forums

[Flyjunkie]

Originally Posted by uniface

HERESY IN THE CAMP: HUEYÁTLACO, A 250,000 YEAR OLD MASTODON-HUNTER SITE FROM CENTRAL MEXICO AND ITS TREATMENT BY DARWINISM IN LATE 20TH CENTURY USA

Virginia Steen-McIntyre

INTRODUCTION

Archaeologists and anthropologists say the Hueyátlaco site is impossible. In no way were humans actively hunting mammoth and mastodon in the Valsequillo Reservoir area of south-central Mexico a quarter-million years ago. Much less could they produce elegant incised art work. And/or perhaps even nibble on maize.

Geologists say that may be true, at least according to established theory. But then you must explain away: (1) Well made stone tools associated with remains of butchered extinct Pleistocene animals dated by the uranium-series methods at 250,000 years. (2) Overlying (younger) beds of volcanic ejecta (pumice and coarse ash) giving roughly similar zircon fissiontrack dates. (3) Infinite 14C dates (no carbon remains). (4) A primitive human skull, collected in the area over 100 years ago, filled with microfossils (diatoms) including several taxa that either became extinct or first appeared during the Sangamon Interglacial 80,000 to ca 320,000 years ago. (5) A similar Sangamon-age diatom suite collected from the artifact-bearing layers and overlying sediment. (6) A layer of volcanic ash from deep within a sediment core in Mexico City, associated with grains of maize pollen, that might be the same age.

Hueyátlaco is a dangerous site. To even publicly mention the geological evidence for its great age is to jeopardize one’s professional career. Three of us geologists can testify to that. It’s very existence is blasphemous because it questions a basic dogma of Darwinism, the ruling philosophy (or religion, if you will) of the western scientific world for the past 150 years. That dogma states that, over a long period of time, members of the human family have generally become more and more intelligent. The Hueyátlaco site is thus “impossible” because Mid-Pleistocene humans weren’t smart enough to do all that the evidence implies. Besides, there is no New World anthropoid stock from which they could have evolved.

The high priests of Darwinism have spoken . . .

250,000 Year Old Mastodon-Hunter from Puebla [Archive] - Soy Chicano Forums

exactly.. and least we forget CALICO out near Yermo, CA. and still an active site..
Perhaps now that the "Clovis Firsters" have been kicked out of the driver's seat, these sites will receive more intense research.... as they soo deserve..