Clovis people not the first to arrive in Americas

[eddies]

thanks for the link. very good reading

[Rick doninger]

Well, ya'll give me some input on these. Didn't get any takers on the last ones, maybe this stuff will be a little more familiar to some of you old hands in the collectin game....hopefully......rick

[Cluton]

What are they? You tell me? That first pic looks cool, but I have no clue what it is! The others look like debitage, some worked pieces in there I see, but the patina looks weird, like mineral stains or petro stains? I have no clue, but curious what you think for sure!

[Buckeye]

Just found this:
Native American Origins: Clovis First Theory Challenged - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

(more food for thought)

[Bastard Angus]

Great Post thank for sharing!!

[Rick doninger]

thought I'd get back in the toolbox and share a little. Now this is just my amateur opinion but IF there is a preclovis tech here in the U.S. I think it COULD look something like this. If we look abroad to lower and middle paleo tech we see much in the way of chopper/cleaver implements. One would have to agree that it would take some pretty beefy tools to bust up some some of the bones of the early paleo critters. You can only do so much with small points and blades, so what would a guy use to dismember a mammoth or a giant sloth to reduce him to a size small enough to pack back to the cave? ....just a little to ponder.....rick d.

[Flyjunkie]

Pre-Clovis Technology is found Just east of Barstow, CA... the Manix lake lithic Industry has been proven to be Pre-Clovis... But until the "Clovis First" bias was pretty much put away in 1999.. it was never discussed much... Dr. Ruth D. Simpson worked the Region for Decades and has reported Her findings in a few Manuscripts.. She passed away a round 2002.. Now Her findings and work are being discussed with greater importance....

Here's a photo of the Ovate Bifaces that make up a good percentage of the Tool kit of this Pre-Clovis Culture...

I will try to find online links to some of Dr. Simpson's reports and post them A.S.A.P.